But this only works when the One Ring is actually in his possession. Political Power: For most of later ages Sauron had significant influence in the mannish realms to the south and east of Middle Earth. In the War of the Ring, we see the effects of this in the fact that many of his armies are made up of men from these regions.
Also, Sauron has complete control of Mordor, and has the power to command all the orcs in Middle Earth. Could that power be defied by Bombadil alone? I think not. I think that in the end, if all else is conquered, Bombadil will fall, Last as he was First; and then Night will come. Added Power: None. I think this would count more towards his favor as a defensive strength. Narrative Bias: Tom Bombadil is - purposefully - quite an enigma. You will give me the Ring freely!
In place of the Dark Lord You would set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!
With hesitation, I tend towards the latter. One thing seems clear: no human, not even Aragorn , could have escaped becoming a wraith. Whom Sauron really had to fear were Saruman and Gandalf. Saruman as a Dark Lord would have been indistinguishable from Sauron.
And even Gandalf was sure that he would hardly be better than Sauron, becoming only a slightly different Dark Lord, but Dark Lord nonetheless. But when he formed that second manifestation, he still had his Ruling Ring: in the Third Age , he did not have it, and it took long to accomplish his third avatar. So weak was he that when Gandalf first entered Dol Guldur in , he fled from Gandalf for years.
It was yet another years before Gandalf re-entered Dol Guldur, and that time Sauron did not flee. And personally, I believe the Balrog could also have forced an entrance; but that is another matter. Galadriel was a very great personage. If Galdor of the Havens is the same as Galdor of Gondolin , I might account him also one of that rarified number. The Istari were creatures of an altogether different order, one far older than the oldest Elves , the greater Maiar far more powerful than the greatest of the Eldar.
That Faramir rejects it immediately upon learning what it is reflected remarkably well upon his character. Saruman , however, fell into temptation after long study into the arts of Sauron. But Sauron as a Maia was in his native power greater than either Saruman or Gandalf as Maiar footnote to Letter ; and Saruman, because of his lust for the Ruling Ring, had already fallen. Gandalf he did not understand. He [Gandalf] was only a rather cleverer Radagast — cleverer, because it is more profitable more productive of power to become absorbed in the study of people than of animals.
In short, Sauron was much weakened from his former self even at the end of the Third Age, so that he spent most of the first two-thirds of that age actively seeking to conceal himself and his presence, as much as possible, from the Eldar and especially the Istari.
It was only in the final three hundred years of the thirty-one hundred years of the Third Age that he did not flee from Gandalf, and Gandalf the Grey was lesser in native power than Saruman who, as is clear, had by that time already fallen to the temptation of the Ring.
It would have been the master in the end. Gandalf as Ring-Lord would have been far worse than Sauron. Gandalf [as Ring-lord] would have made good detestable and seem evil. And over me the Ring would gain a power still greater and more deadly. For I do not wish to become like the Dark Lord himself. Alcuin said:. The Ring would not destroy Gandalf as an entity, but warp him into a modified version of Sauron.
When comparing various power levels, and ''greatness'', it needs to be borne in mind how much some of the characters evolved throughout Tolkein's writings. Gandalf of the Hobbit , hid in a tree away from some wolves , and was scared. This is not the Gandalf that as one authority held can't remember if it was J.
Strider of the Hobbit, was not Aragorn , later to be the Returned King and heir to the two Kingdoms , but was part of ''a tale that grew in the telling''. Indeed the White Council did not ''drive him out'', it later became apparent Sauron feigned retreat and simply withdrew to a prepared position in Mordor.
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Replies 27 Views Replies 3 Views Oct 5, Alcuin. Latest posts. Treebeard Today at PM. Tolkien's worst character Today at PM. She also appears at the very end of the film alongside Elrond and Celeborn at the Grey Havens. She departs with them, Gandalf, Frodo, and Bilbo to Valinor. Galadriel's role in Jackson's The Hobbit film trilogy is entirely invented for the adaptation, as she does not appear in the original novel.
She believes Gandalf when he claims that the Necromancer is becoming a bigger threat and that something must be done with Dol Guldur. Initially, it seems that she has come alone; she defeats an orc with a blast of magic from Nenya. The Dark Lord mocks the Elf Queen for being alone in the shadow, a singular light in the dark.
However, Galadriel reveals that Saruman and Elrond have accompanied her to Dol Guldur, and the two battle the Ringwraiths while Galadriel attempts to heal Gandalf with a kiss, an action which drains her energy. Radagast arrives to take Gandalf away, and Galadriel resists Gandalf's plea to have her join him. Galadriel, however, proves herself unyielding and declares Sauron as "Nameless, Faceless, and Formless" and demands that he returns to the Void form whence he came.
Ultimately Galadriel overpowers Sauron, who is flung into the East as an orb of fire. Galadriel in The Lord of the Rings Online. The name Galadriel has moved outside of Tolkien's work and into the wider world. Parents occasionally give it to their daughters. The band Barclay James Harvest also wrote a song named " Galadriel. In the novel Panic, there are a group of computer hackers known simply as Galadriel Jones and the elves.
Explore Wikis Community Central. Register Don't have an account? View source. History Talk Do you like this video? Play Sound. V: " The Window on the West ", pg. Fan Feed 1 Sauron 2 Melkor 3 Gandalf. Universal Conquest Wiki. Active Oldest Votes. Power I've noticed that in the following, I talk about this nebulous term "power" quite often; let's spend a little time defining that. The secondary world is what Aragorn in the films meant when he said "He's passing into the shadow world. He'll soon become a wraith, like them".
In the books, it's described thus: With his last failing senses Frodo heard cries, and it seemed to him that he saw, beyond the Riders that hesitated on the shore, a shining figure of white light; and behind it ran small shadowy forms waving flames, that flared red in the grey mist that was falling over the world.
The Noldor The Noldor were perhaps the most powerful people ever to walk Middle-earth. Thorin's sword Orcrist was forged by Noldor smiths. Frodo's sword Sting was a trifling example of the craft, but was made by the Noldor. Rivendell was among the last realms where Noldor could be found in significant numbers. The Noldor are, in short, a Big Deal. Galadriel is accounted one of their leaders. Galadriel's History Living in Valinor In brief, the first of the elves who awoke on Middle-earth were persuaded to travel into the West and live with the Valar - effectively the gods of Middle-Earth.
Leaving Valinor In time, Melkor - the first Dark Lord, and Sauron's old boss - planted suspicion in the hearts of the Noldor, making them think that they were being imprisoned in Valinor. Galadriel went with them, and we hear that: Galadriel, the only woman of the Noldor to stand that day tall and valiant among the contending princes, was eager to be gone The First Age At length the Noldor came to Middle-earth, drove back the servants of Melkor now renamed Morgoth , and established their own realms.
The Second Age At the end of the First Age, the western lands where the elves had settled were largely destroyed by the war between the Valar and Morgoth.
The Ring Galadriel bears one of the Three, the pure rings that the Elves made without Sauron's personal help. Sauron Sauron is a Maia, one of the servants of the Valar. Improve this answer. Community Bot 1. Werrf Werrf Except that the banishment of Sauron from Dol Guldur was not a real victory. In the Council of Elrond Gandalf says that this was just a fake retreat, and in fact Sauron had long planned his return to Mordor. That said, thanks for a good summary.
Werrf - Discussion of Power in Tolkien is interesting as it's particular and peculiar to individuals and situations. Bombadil, Beorn, etc, exhibit this same notion. Add a comment. Native power All Elves have a certain amount of inherent magical power; this is simply a part of their nature. Why does Galadriel tire after confronting Sauron? We see this in other places, most notably with Gandalf, who is visibly wearied in the Fellowship of the Ring film by his confrontation with the balrog, and in the text by his attempts to slow the balrog down: 'Well, well!
The counter-spell was terrible. It nearly broke me. Jason Baker Jason Baker k 41 41 gold badges silver badges bronze badges. You usually don't offer to future opponent the tools they can use against you. And, huh, apparently local TV version of movie was cut down.
Swift It may have been removed in the theatrical edition, and restored in the extended; I confess I don't remember — Jason Baker. Then it can be added to lists of stupid edits made to movies that made things less of sense. Old "Total recall" is the champion so far, they removed 40 minutes from movie, breaking plot twice. Swift Swift 2 2 bronze badges. As a side-note, Melian also taught Galadriel how to bake delicious cookies! Amarth Amarth 4, 13 13 silver badges 33 33 bronze badges.
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